Two Rolex GMT's

Aug 01, 2008,05:20 AM
 

I am looking to see if this works.  I removed external links....

Hope this helps and is within guidelines.....

-Sheldon

Two Rolex GMT's

Rolex Watch GMTII SubmarinerThe two year wait for an all stainless updated Rolex GMT was worth it as this watch has hit the mark on many fronts. After wearing an all stainless DateJust, a Turn-O-Graph (TOG), GMTII-T (traditional 16710), SeaDweller, and Submariner, the GMT-C (116710) has met and surpassed all my expectations. The GMT-C combines the updated bracelet of the TOG, the heaviness of the SeaDweller (SD), the maxi-dial of the Lunette Verde Sub and Yachtmaster 16622, the security of a Triplock crown from the SD and Sub, and the comfort of a traditional GMT. The additions of the Parachrom Bleu hairspring, the updated clasp, the ceramic bearings under the bezel, and the ceramic pre-CERACHROM bezel insert puts this watch in the next rung of re-designed Rolexes that will be around for generations.

 

Movement

Parachrom Blu Hairspring The movement has been reexamined and the 116710 movement has redesigned elements that set it apart from the 16710. The 16710 movement is a time-tested 3185 movement that allows for moving the hour hand independently forward/backwards as the user travels through time zones. The 116710 movement includes the new Paracrom Bleu hairspring, and according to James Dowling in a  the wheels of the drive train are closer together removing some of the gear play felt in the 16710 when the hour hand was being set. Anyone new to Rolex would not notice, but when compared side-by-side, there is a little more slop when setting the hands of the 16710 than there is with the 116710. Update: It appears that the 3186 movement and Paracrom Blu hairspring are installed in M-series 16710's and possibly M-series Explorer II's. More information is

 

 

The Case

The116710 case is larger, thicker, and 1.5mm longer than the 16710 case. The increased size and weight give the watch a much heavier feel than the traditional GMT. Although the watch case is thicker, similar to a SeaDweller in thickness, the watch rides closer to the wrist because the caseback is flat (top picture) and does not bubble like the 16710 (bottom picture). Subsequently, the watch rides much closer to the wrist thereby negating any watch-flop and top heaviness Rolex Watch
Rolex Watch

 

116710

16710

Width edge to end of crown

44.4mm

42.45mm

Length lug tip to tip

47.8mm

47.5mm

 

 

Weight

All of the redesigns incorporated in the 116710 have made the watch heavier than the traditional GMT. My 116710 weighs in at 141g on my kitchen scale. The traditional GMT comes in at 116g. Both of my watches have two links removed so that they fit on a 6.5" wrist.

As comparison, the chart posted  lists the Submariner at 135g and the SeaDweller at 147 which is in the same range as the 116710. It appears that my kitchen scale might be weight light as the same chart shows the 16710 127g, ten grams heavier than what my scale indicated.

Height

The height of the 116710 is reported as being 13mm, but many measure it as 12mm. The 13mm height is similar to a Submariner and 1mm taller than the 16710. The extra millimeter is hardly noticeable; the weight difference is more noticeable than the height difference.

 

Crystal & Cyclops

Rolex Watch GMTII 16710 116710Both watches have a flawless sapphire crystal. The cyclops on all Rolex models are glued to the sapphire crystal and folks removing the cyclops is well documented on the watch boards. Differentiating the models is the anti-reflective coating under the cyclops of the 116710. The picture on the right attempts to show the difference between the two models' cyclops and how they reflect light. I have found the cyclops on the 116710 much easier to read and has less glare.

First time Rolex wearers would not notice the difference, but there is a noticeable difference when viewing the date between the 16710 and the 116710. Viewing the date is easier on the 116710 and one does not have to look at the cyclops straight-on as with other Rolex models.

The 116710 also had the Rolex branded chapter ring with the Rolex-Rolex-Rolex engraved as well as the watch's serial number engraved at the 6:00 position. The Rolex branded chapter ring is referred to as the RBR or "Rolex Branded Rehaut."

 

The Crown

Rolex Crown Another significant difference between the 16710 and the 116710 is the use of a time-tested Triplock crown. One of the frequent criticisms of the 16710 was the Twinlock crown that is perceived as being too small and did not match the design of the case. The Twinlock crown does not fit flush onto the case as it does with the DateJusts. Historically, the Twinlock crown has always been part of the GMT as this watch evolved the DateJust and the early TOG. The GMT evolution is well documented on

The design difference between the two crowns, and the significance, is both the size and the number of o-rings used to prevent water penetration. The smaller Twinlock crown has an o-ring in the crown, and one in the tube. The Triplock crown uses four o-rings; one outside the tube that is visible when the crown is unscrewed, one in the crown, and two in the tube.

Even with the Triplock crown, the 116710 is still rated as being water-resistant to 100M and not 300M as with the Submariner. The design difference between the Sub and the 116710 is the caseback. Even though the 116710 has the same crown and heavier case as the Sub, the caseback is of similar thickness as the GMT-DateJust series. As in a picture the caseback flexes under pressure and thereby keeps the 116710 rating at 100M (although your mileage might vary…).

 

The Bracelet

The 116710 bracelet uses solid links rather than hollow links as the traditional Rolex models. The updated bracelet fits similar to the new TOGs and DateJusts. The links on the 116710 are not as thick as the 16710 near the watch head. The difference is slightly noticeable to the eye, but not to the wear and feel of the watch.

Just like the newer TOGs and Datejusts, the redesigned bracelet has a built-in expansion link that appears to adjust the bracelet the same as moving the bracelet in the adjustment notches inside the clasp. The expansion link is a welcomed feature, especially when adjusting the bracelet is a little harder on the 116710 than the traditional Rolex clasps as there are no holes. I have used ballpoint pens, tooth picks, thumbtacks to make quick bracelet adjustments on the 16710.

 

The Clasp

The clasp on the 116710 is Rolex Watch Claspthoroughly redesigned and is a design marvel in itself. This new type of clasp is not used on any other Rolex, except the Yachtmaster II. The clasp is milled stainless and is similar in construction as the newer clasps used on the TOGs and DateJusts. Setting this clasp apart is the spring loaded hook inside the clasp. A spring keeps the clasp hook locked in place, and a springbar keeps the security cover locked in place. The security cover on the 116710 does not use compression to keep the buckle closed as in the 16710, but rather it keeps the tab from moving backwards. The security cover moves freely when opening and closing with no friction on the side of the clasp cover, as with the 16710.

 

 

 

Rolex Watch Schematic The clasp schematic from what in the Rolex patent design illustrates how complex the new clasp is, but the schematic does not show the hook noted by the blue arrow in the photo above.

 

 

Inside the clasp are three notches used for micro-Rolex Watch Claspadjustments that are spaced the same as other Rolex clasps. Most Rolex clasps have four-five micro-adjust holes in the clasp, but the 116710 only has three. The expansion link under the clasp can act as a fourth level of adjustment. 

 

 

 

 

Maxi Dial & Hands

The introduction of the Lunette Rolex Watch Luminiscence Verde (LV) Submariner and the , or 50 th Anniversary Submariner, as well as the YachtMaster 16622 showed a redesigned watch face with larger hands, and larger indices. This same type of dial and hands is on the 116710, but with a larger hour hand and hour markers than its maxi-dialed predicessors. The readability is improved, but there were never really any problems with the readability of the 16710 watch face. The maxi dial and hands do assist with the nighttime luminescence of the watch. These distinct qualities that are equally important and to decide between the two is hard. Like with all Rolexes, the hands and hour markers are made of white gold and inlaid with SuperLuminova. The mercedes hour hand is designed such that it can hold more SuperLuminova without the SuperLuminova cracking. My only criticism of reading the watchface at night is that it is hard to see the 24 hour hand. The arrow is the same size as an hour dot/indicator which makes the 24 hour triangle hard to discern at night. In both of this image of both watch faces, the 24-hour triangle disappears (hint: it's at 2:00 o'clock).

 

 

The Bezel

Rolex Watch Bezel

One of the distinguishing features of the GMT is the 24 hour bezel used to measure various timezones. The bezel of the 16710 uses a click-spring to hold the bezel in place. Earlier GMTs (GMT Master) had no clickspring which allowed the bezel to slide in either direction. The 16710 (GMT Master II) uses a clickspring that prevented the bezel for being knocked from its setting, but the older spring allowed for the bezel to move easier counter clockwise than rotating clockwise.

The bezel on the 116710 is thoroughly redesigned. The bezel rotates on three ceramic ball bearings similar to the new TOG’s that rotate on steel bearings. Rolex has moved past the design concept of the bezel sliding by compression on a small washer. The 116710 bezel clicks in one-hours jumps and not in minutes as the 16710. Each rotation the user feels a noticeable click of the ceramic bearing holding the bezel in its setting ( In Rolex's 2008 Basel media release on the DeepSea model, the ceramic bezels are referred to as CERACHROM. CERACHROM appears very similar to the ceramic bezel used on the 116710, but the numbers are flush on the bezel and not indented like they are on this model and the Yachtmaster II bezel.

 

Rolex Watch CasesThe bezel on the 116710 is noticeably much thicker than the traditional GMT in order to hold the ceramic insert in place. The bezel is almost as thick as a SeaDweller bezel. Its easy to grasp and rotate. Much has been said on the durability / fragility of the ceramic bezel insert. After a month of use, there are no scratches on the bezel insert nor has there been any chipping/cracking.

 

 

 

Rolex Watch Bezel

When discussing GMT bezels, I have to digress on a relatively new discovery on Rolex's change in clicksprings. I discovered when ordering a replacement clickspring for my GMT -T (16710), that the newer replacement springs are longer, allowing for the bezel to move clockwise/counter-clockwise easier. I looked at Z series 16710's and Yachtmasters at an AD recently and noticed that they use the same new clickspring as the bezels moved easily clockwise as they did counter-clockwise. The new clickspring is much better than the older, original clicksprings that made the bezel rotate counter-clockwise easier, and harder when rotating clockwise. The new clickspring is the one pictured on the top, and the original on the bottom. Notice that the new clickspring, when installed, bows in the opposite direction than the original clickspring, as well as being much longer causing it not to bind like the original clickspring. The original clickspring allowed the bezel to rotate clickwise, and bind somewhat when the bezel was rotated counter clockwise.

The Rolex part number I ordered through my watchmaker who has a Rolex parts account was 317-16628. This part number covers the following case numbers: 16268, 16622, 16628B, 16700, 16710, 16713, 16718, 16758, 16760. Don't allow your watchmaker to confuse the 16628 spring with part number 317-16800 clickspring as that one is designed for all the Submariner models (14060, 16600, 16610, 16800, etc).

 

Rate - Accurracy

Many have reported that the 116710 is dead-on with no deviation. My 116710 is about 1 second slow each day with no deviation from day-to-day. My 16710 is 2.5 seconds fast each day, also with little deviation from day-to-day.

 

Bling vs. Tool

Along with the GMT redesign came another aspect that is finding its way on all Rolex watches is the use of mirror finishing. The mirror finish "scheme" found on the yachtmaster, the newer DateJusts, TOG's, and Daytona's have found its way to the GMT. Many Rolex followers have shied- away from considering the new Rolexes because of the mirror finish used on the center-links of the bracelet and on the case. Traditional Rolexes have a brush finish that reflects less light and hides scratches which helped define it as a “tool watch.” Sub's, SeaDwellers, and GMT traditionally hid scratches well because they were designed with specific functions rather than as "jewelery." I too had the same concern of flashiness when considering a 116710 as this was one of the reasons why I flipped the TOG I owned a couple of years ago. The TOG had mirrored center links as well as a larger than normal, fluted white gold bezel. Both the bracelet and the bezel were a little too flashy for my tastes, although I was drawn to it by the red second hand and the updated bracelet clasp.

GMTII Brushed Links

The new 116710 is somewhat flashier than the traditional GMT and Subs, but not as much as the TOG. The bezel is not as reflective as the TOG although I do find myself questioning whether the 116710 reflects/mirrors too much light. There has been discussion on many of the watch boards that the 116710 is considered "smart casual" in the same vein as the Daytona. The 116710 is definately not as attention getting as the diamond covered versions, but its mirror finish might standout when wearing your camping or household chore clothes. The top right image is one supplied by 1680 on Timezone shows his 116710 with brushed links (click on images for larger pictures.)

In consolation though, I am not as hung-up on scratches as I was with the TOG and my traditional GMT. As the watch gets scratched, it creates its own brushed finish and its own patina.

 

 

How it wears & final thoughts

Rolex Watch Specialized E5

The 116710 is the best wearing Rolexes I have owned. The slightly longer watch case allows me to wear the watch a little tighter than my traditional GMT. My traditional GMT is either too tight or too loose. I rarely use the expansion link hidden in the 116710 clasp, but am glad to know its there for when it heats up outside or when I travel to more humid states. I appreciate the weight of the 116710 and the green GMT hand is visible and a nice touch reminding me the pedigree of the watch.

In essence, the 116710 is a fantastic watch that will help define the Rolex look for years to come.

 


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Rolex: GMT-Master II

 
 By: boldybond : July 30th, 2008-10:37
Hi everybody, I am new to Rolex, was wondering if anybody writes or points to a good review for Rolex : GMT-Master II two tone watch, thanks a million also pics are fine and what is a lowest price we get one of Rolex : GMT-Master II

Althought not two-tone...

 
 By: sheldon : July 31st, 2008-05:39
Although not Two-Tone... I have information posted at XXX -Sheldon This message has been edited by DrStrong on 2008-07-31 13:36:58...  

You are more than welcome to post reviews on this forum

 
 By: DrStrong : July 31st, 2008-13:38
but please avoid linking to external sites, as per our code of conduct. Cheers Jeff

Two Rolex GMT's

 
 By: sheldon : August 1st, 2008-05:20
I am looking to see if this works. I removed external links.... Hope this helps and is within guidelines..... -Sheldon Two Rolex GMT's The two year wait for an all stainless updated Rolex GMT was worth it as this watch has hit the mark on many fronts. Aft...  

Thanks for the great work

 
 By: DrStrong : August 1st, 2008-12:24
I will put it in the review section ! Cheers Jeff

Must agree - great review.

 
 By: fernando : August 2nd, 2008-02:16

insert

 
 By: olca4e : October 20th, 2009-02:52
Phenomenal review!! ...had a quick question....is the ceramic insert interchangeable with the classic gmt insert? ...or is the width too different? I would like to get the ceramic GMTII but install a classic Pepsi/Coke insert....sounds crazy....but not su...