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Rolex Submariner 5508

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 17th, 2014-06:00
I am posting this thread as I know, soon, Nicolas will have completed his 5508 by getting the correct insert. After many years.....indeed. In fact, it is in any case time to take another look at this non crown guard Submariner - a watch that so often gets...  

Thank you Joe for a fantastic post.

 
 By: dr.kol : November 17th, 2014-06:55
I have also made my part today: I bought a (too expensive) vintage Rolex Submariner that I expect to get on Thursday. In fact I expect to get two Submariners on Thursday. You guys with your posts and nice photos drive me nuts! Best, Kari

A vintage Rolex virgin no longer.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 17th, 2014-06:59
.......it is all pleasure from her onwards!

Aaah, finally! ;) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : November 17th, 2014-07:58

Superb, really superb article, Joe.

 
 By: amanico : November 17th, 2014-07:57
It is a fact that the 5508 is not winning the comparison with the 5512 / 13, at least for the last years... And I never got why the Small Crowns are less appreciated than the 5512 / 13. Since my interest for your article. I totally agree with you that the... 

5508 years of production......

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 17th, 2014-08:01
.......my answer to your question is that I am not sure. Certainly, a number of reference books suggest 1961......however, i have seen so many cases with serial numbers that suggest 1962 and even 1963....... ....of course, it is plausible that actual prod... 

in my opinion ...

 
 By: marcello pisani : November 17th, 2014-10:22
regular production from 1958 to early 1963.

no ... allways " 1962 " nt

 
 By: marcello pisani : November 17th, 2014-10:32
nt

I always double check the sn and the quartal and year.

 
 By: amanico : November 17th, 2014-11:34
And, of course, I don't count my efforts. :) Count Jaeger.

dates....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 19th, 2014-06:49
checked my serial number....399xxx....how close to yours?

earliest 5508 seen ( at least by me .. )

 
 By: marcello pisani : November 17th, 2014-10:31
have case number in the 361.000 range ( roughly 1st quarter of 1958 ) . latest AFAIK with case number under 900.000. seen also some " out of range " .. but questionable......

oui Monsigneur .. LOL LOL nt

 
 By: marcello pisani : November 17th, 2014-10:54
nt

aha aha aha .....

 
 By: marcello pisani : November 17th, 2014-10:38
...  

5512 gilt vrs 5508?

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 17th, 2014-08:05
For me, I have lovely versions of both, but I would go 5512. But I am especially attached to my 5512!

Nicolas- 100% with you on ALL points

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : November 17th, 2014-10:12
I cannot remember the last time I agreed with you more. E

Yesterday? ;) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : November 17th, 2014-10:17

Analogy is not fitting

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : November 17th, 2014-08:26
Joe- first I enjoyed your post on the small crown 5508 very much. Not much is known about this reference. Your example is growing on me (indeed any 5508) as I much prefer the earlier small crowns namely the 6536-1 which have a much more 'gilt' dial and ha... 

Yep...i am with Nicolas on this....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 17th, 2014-08:35
.....the Tudor BC is in a different game to the 5508/6536...... it is a different beats altogether. They fight in different weight categories!! I think we have been on boxing analogies before, eh? BCs.....Ali, Tyson, Foreman..... SCs.....Sugar Ray

Happy that you liked the +!!!

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 17th, 2014-08:33
But I still feel that the small crowns are not in the same league as the BCs. OK, if the Boxter comparison is too harsh on the 5508, then maybe 911 vrs 928 is more apt. I know you have a deep love for the 6536 small crown...and the small crown generally. ... 

Team effort

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : November 17th, 2014-09:56
Lets try and come with a good analogy. Because your analogy is not good- for the following reasons. 1) The first Sub which you oftened have argued is the DNA of Rolex (the submariner being the core DNA of Rolex) was a small crown. 6204 2) The second sub w... 

well...strictly speaking not true.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 17th, 2014-10:11
....as my post on the subject argued that the 6200 was the first Submariner that Rolex designed ... but not the first that they released to the public. I continue to argue that the very first concept of Submariner was with the 6200.....it was just not rel... 

You agree with me then ;)

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : November 17th, 2014-10:33
Joe- lets say even that your right (which your not). Lets say it was designed first- the 6200. But not released. We are talking about DNA and perception. What counts is the public perception. And here its clear the 6204 was the first sub. So you agree wit... 

Ah, if what counts is public perception, as you say....then....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 17th, 2014-10:38
......the public perception...the market perception.....is that the 6536/5508 are the Boxters and the 6200/6538/5510 BCs are the 911s..... ....we come full-circle and you end up arguing in favour of my original view. Harsh maybe...but fair.

we are never going to agree

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : November 17th, 2014-10:41
I see thing differently and so do many others. I see your point though. Let me get my hands on a BC and then I am in a better (unbiased position) to argue. Radium preferred ofcourse ;)

OK...but...

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 17th, 2014-10:58
.....if you subsequently evaluate the situation and come to the conclusion that I was originally correct, then I reserve the right to change my mind. LoL

ROFLMAO! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : November 17th, 2014-11:07

I can tell you that a nice 7924 all correct, is more expensive.

 
 By: amanico : November 17th, 2014-10:20
And much rarer than a 6536 even /1. Here we are speaking about an all correct and in nice condition 7924, of course, because with a service or incorrect dial, it is less expensive. Best, Nicolas

oh no please don't introduce that ...

 
 By: marcello pisani : November 17th, 2014-10:53
damned minefield here too .. LOL LOL LOL btw don't think that the excl. point shows the passage from radium to tritium .

the grenade is launched....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 17th, 2014-10:55
.....and now run like hell and watch what happens!!!

the Rolex collector prayer ??

 
 By: marcello pisani : November 17th, 2014-11:02
fantastique !

Hello there!

 
 By: FabCo : November 17th, 2014-21:18
Hi all, I am a usual VRFer (Marcello knows me, if he remembers...LOL) but have found myself coming here more and more. I was trying to find the right post to make my first answer and this great review of the 5508 might just be it. Indeed, I just acquired ...  

Welcome here, Fabrice. Your 5508 dial is WOW!

 
 By: amanico : November 17th, 2014-22:31
Looking foward to reading more from you, Nicolas

Welcome. You really know how to make a great impression

 
 By: Bill : November 17th, 2014-22:33
You Rolex 5508 is perfection in every way. WE hope to hear and see more. Bill

Well, thanks a lot, gentlemen....

 
 By: FabCo : November 17th, 2014-22:54
I will post more of my collection when I get the time but I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank you, Bill, for your classic study of the 5513 gilt dials watch. It was my first read when I was researching my first gilt Sub (the Bart Simpson from ... 

I hope there was at least some good facts in the report

 
 By: Bill : November 17th, 2014-23:39
and not too much Rolex fiction. With Rolex you can never say never as we learn new things every day. A lot of passion in the forum with a lot of crazy collectors. I look forward to seeing and sharing more with you. Bill

Hey Fabrice....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 18th, 2014-02:08
....welcome here. What an entrance with that 5508! It looks absolutely perfect. It is great to post here and we look forward to seeing more of your scans and thoughts. As collectors, it is always interesting to hear others views and how/why they made deci... 

Superb post and thread dear Joe! I enjoyed so much reading...

 
 By: Subexplorer : November 18th, 2014-13:38
... Viewing pictures and learning more about the 5508! Thank you! Kind regards, Abel.

Thanks Abel...glad you enjoyed it

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 19th, 2014-02:13

Agreed BUT

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : November 19th, 2014-10:22
All small crowns are awesome. But some more than others. In that foodchain of awesomeness the 5508 does not sit right at the top. Those belong to references beginning with a 6 ;)

i think that is right......i would rather have a 6204 or 6205 than a 5508....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 20th, 2014-02:21
.....which is ironic, since i had a 6205 and now don't....and now have a 5508. I think my youth must have confused my logic.

Your logic is not that bad

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : November 20th, 2014-08:38
After all you have 6200 which begins with a 6. Perhaps you gave the 6205 to buy the 6200 so that would be a good deal anyway. I like the 5508, don't get me wrong. I much prefer it than 'normal' 5513 for example. But I think in the small crown world it wou... 

.......well......

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 20th, 2014-11:57
no......the 6200 came to me by luck.....the seller wanted cash four a quick deal......i happened to be standing by a friend who knows more about vintage Rolex than nearly anyone I know.....having collected for 40yrs...he checked the 6200...pronounced it p... 

Thats always a nice position to be in

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : November 20th, 2014-13:20
To have money when others don't. I hope I find myself in that position one day. A nice way to buy a 6200. Not like today when buying will cause your nose to bleed. Or half a heart attack. Whats the famous saying? 'Patience is a virtue'. Best Edmond

I am not a fan of that saying..."Patience is a virtue"....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 21st, 2014-01:50
......so often its not ! My old boss once told me..."Shoot first, ask questions later". Of course, that philosophy also has its drawbacks and is based on having a fairly decent intuition.

In general it is

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : November 21st, 2014-04:16
My mother often tells me: timing in life is everything. She is so right. Take for example my 6205. I saw it on IG. I called the dealer. I met him next week in Lausanne and I knew when I saw it that I really had to decide right then and then. In that circu... 

Me too. +1. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : November 20th, 2014-13:29