Rolex 16660 - the triple 6

Jul 01, 2013,03:03 AM
 


The Sea-Dweller is, without doubt, my favourite Rolex. Although I can define that love down to the 1665 reference, it is also true that the transition Rolex of 16660 – the Triple 6 - is also one of my very favourite watches to wear. Also true that on this forum there is plenty of love for the 666. This review will focus on the two 16660s that I own and their respective stories.


First, however, I think it is interesting to show how the 666 evolved. Rolex introduced the Sea-Dweller reference 1665 in 1967. It came about thanks to the collaboration between Rolex and the French diving company COMEX. The 1665 was effectively a professional diving watch, carrying the patented helium escape valve, a thick-profile crystal and a 2000ft depth rating. It was quite some watch to offer to the general public. Unlike the Submariner, the 1665 has a more prominent feature on the wrist….it just feels that much deeper and sturdier. By 1980, the 1665 was no longer in production.


The Sea-Dweller 16660 is the evolution of the 1665. It was produced from 1978 to about 1988. In the early years of production, the 16660 was made alongside the 1665, But the two watches were very different. The tested depth rating rose from 610m up to 1220m. The 16660 came with a sapphire crystal and a unidirectional bezel.  It was also equipped with a new calibre – the 3035 (replacing the 1575 in the 1665). Further, the 16660 came with a larger and improved helium gas escape valve. The 16660 could have been equipped with an Oyster Fliplock ref 93150 or the Oyster Fliplock ref 93160. The early production was with the 93150. 


Here is my 16660.







Compare the HEV for the 16660 (left) against the 1665. Also look at the case thickness. Big differences.




So, the 16660 was born. It is a beast of a watch. One of the big advantages that it has over the 1665 is that with the sapphire crystal and improved movement, the watch is essentially bomb-proof and very robust. It can be worn without any worries. I would argue that the 1665 is hardly a shrinking violet when it comes to toughness, but the transition to the 16660 made it a very practical watch for everyday wear. It has enough DNA to have that vintage look but at the same time it has many of the improvements that make it so easy to wear day-to-day. It is the best of both worlds.


My dilemma was deciding which 16660 to take. I will state right from the start that I have only ever bought two 16660s. And I still own both. But my entry into the 16660 world was with a rather special watch.


The collaboration with Comex resulted in a number of special order watches designed specifically for the French diving company. The 16660 was delivered to Comex between 1980-84. Watches were typically issued in batches. The 16660 came in two batches. The first 50 had a matte dial with the next 150 coming with a gilt dial. As such, one can say that the matte dial version is one of the very rarest varieties of Comex. Of the 50, some were damaged. Some were lost. In terms of how many have subsequently been back to Rolex for service, it is my understanding that around 30-35 are believed to be around. Maybe that number is high. Of all the various references that have been issued to Comex, the 16660 matte dial is truly one of the hardest to find. It is not impossible, but it is hard. What I liked about selecting this watch as my first 16660 was that it killed two birds with one stone. First, it covered the 16660 transition. But second, it also filled the place of a Comex watch for my collection. It was never my intention to accumulate Comex, so I wanted the version that I bought to have something special about it. The 16660 Matte Comex is certainly in that category.


Here is my 16660 Comex.





Yet, despite all this, I would have to say that I continued my hunt for another 16660. Reason? Well, these watches “can” take on astonishing patina. Every now and then one comes along with a truly breath-taking patina. I like all my watches to have full-kit original papers, so waiting for the right patina AND full-kit papers took some time. In fact, over three years before the right one came along. And then, I showed it to the resident vampire who concurred with me that it was just a must-buy. The watch literally growls. I had to have it. It is odd when a watch really hits the spot. This one really does it for me.




My version is one of the early ones. How can I tell? Well, the earlier dials came with a circular index, and were produced until about 1985. My serial number is 8.0m, placing it around 1983, so in line with the dial range. Latter dials came with a circular edge index – called “bicchierini” by the Italians. For the earlier dials, I believe  there are two versions, the Mk1 and Mk2. My version is a Mk1 dial. How can I tell? Well, take a loot at the close scan of my dial. The Mk1 dial has the letter “f” not overlapping the letter “t”. This is not the case for the Mk 2 dial. My vertical line shows the Mk1 configuration. I would love to hear any other opinions on this configuration idea. The overlapping F or Long-F appears in later dials in my view. Curious to hear opinions if any.......






Why is it “evilesque?”


Well, I can think of a number of reasons. The watch itself is a true beast. As I have already mentioned, it has a very distinct presence on the wrist which is altogether different to the feel of a Submariner. It is more Rottweiler than Alsatian. Both tough animals, but the Rottweiler being just brawnier and more menacing to look at. Well, if you combine the fact that the watch is a beast and has a reference number with 666 in it, it is not so hard to see evilesque.


Within Rolex world, different watches do different things for me. I would have to say that the 16660 manages to bridge the gap between vintage and modern as well as any Rolex. I would also argue that it has that direct DNA link to the innovation of the helium escape valve that makes it place in Rolex history evident. Further, it has such a distinct presence on the wrist…..to me it is a perfect daily wearer. Bullet-proof. Just what you need if.....






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Cheers Ken...

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 1st, 2013-03:50
.....its a watch I love

Great reading !

 
 By: DrStrong : July 1st, 2013-03:50
another milestone in your coverage of the Sea Dweller history ! The Comex in particular is really a grail, especially in this condition.

There are grails and .....grails....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 1st, 2013-03:53
.....the irony was that in Paris I met someone who had a 666 Comex within 15 of mine .... so one of the rare 50. However, the Comex i saw was one of the 6 Hydra Project Comex....so super-rare. And then, I was chatting with a collector this morning who tol... 

NO every Comex watch ..

 
 By: marcello pisani : July 1st, 2013-04:07
has his own dignity as it's a Comex !!

And even the biggest fish...

 
 By: DrStrong : July 1st, 2013-07:05
...ends up in a stomach ;-) of course, there are only Comex watches on the picture ! ...  

goodd...

 
 By: marcello pisani : July 1st, 2013-03:56
to see that someone besides me loves watches with valve and the 16660 is one of my favourites too .. just one thing ; after speaking with some people in the French " milieu hyperbare " .. I have come to the conclusion that all 100 watches from the 1st bat... 

Question...

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 1st, 2013-05:09
....on the basis of that analysis, have you ever seen a Matte dial that came with a serial over 3050? That would be strong evidence that the production run was indeed 100 rather than 50. I know that a lot of "wisdom" suggests that there was only a run of ... 

yes of course .........

 
 By: marcello pisani : July 1st, 2013-05:49
according to my records ( I roughly have 50 watches from this batch registered , so the size of the sample is 50 % and so enough big ) the 16660 survived with the matt logo dial are distributed at random in the whole range of delivery numbers.

in which case it seems most likely....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 1st, 2013-05:53
.....as you say the net result is the same, but how we get there is important.

Well, mister Baron! Very nice write up I must say......

 
 By: Sandgroper : July 1st, 2013-03:56
although, the "f" overlapping the "t"?!! You are a very intriguing person mister Baron, with all due respects, of course:) Fascinatingly yours dear, Francois

Intrigue?

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 1st, 2013-04:29
Well, i sometimes go by the name of Scarlet Pimpernel

That's says it all....Mr Baron....should I burst, or laugh?:)

 
 By: Sandgroper : July 1st, 2013-05:27
With, again, all due respect Mr Baron...of course! Yours very ......sincerely Francois

Burst or laugh....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 1st, 2013-05:30
both work!

mk1 and mk2 dials ..

 
 By: marcello pisani : July 1st, 2013-06:44
not hard to spot the differences as mk1 has a much shorter coronet and a smaller " f " in the line of maximum depth. production ranges: 1) mk1 from the beginning of production up to 8.0 circa 2) mk2 from around 8.0 up to production end. 8.0 is the borderl...  

Grazie capo

 
 By: DrStrong : July 1st, 2013-07:08
very informative !

Makes sense....mine is 8.0m [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 1st, 2013-07:08

Great post [nt]

 
 By: daytonaman799 : December 9th, 2013-18:26

here are two clear examples ...

 
 By: marcello pisani : July 1st, 2013-07:12
of Comex 16660 with matt dial and delivery numbers above 3050 : ...  

Some Rolex 666 shots to keep you company

 
 By: Bill : July 1st, 2013-09:44
Live from a sea far far away. Best Bill ...  

Fish is on the grill

 
 By: Bill : July 1st, 2013-09:51
Rose flows and the sun has yet to set. Best Bill ...  

Gents, Please STOP!!!

 
 By: Topcat30093 : July 1st, 2013-12:09
You are driving me crazy with you your great photos. Joe, I remember you telling me how passionate you were about this particular model. And though I am happy with the Rolex 1680 that I have. I would be lying if I didn't admit a 1665 or triple 6 would be ... 

In technical terms...

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 1st, 2013-12:29
I mean the round circular thing with the lume on

Dependable to say the least

 
 By: Bill : July 1st, 2013-23:28
The 666 is tank indeed. Best Bill ...  

The Triple 6 was worth such a post!

 
 By: amanico : July 1st, 2013-13:47
Here is mine, joining yours... Very interesting observations on the M K I and II dials. Thanks for this nice write up! Best, Nicolas ...  

Although I love my 16600, when I see these tripple 6's with the lovely patina....

 
 By: DivingT : July 1st, 2013-23:18
....it makes me want to hunt!!! (no, no - to many other targets to be found first!! LOL) Very nice set Nicolas, very nice!! cheers Tony

Step by step, my friend. But the Triple 6 is really something.

 
 By: amanico : July 1st, 2013-23:32
A pleasurable Beast. The good news is that it won't cost you an arm. Best, Nicolas

pleasant and informative reading...

 
 By: gensiulia : July 1st, 2013-14:28
...for all the hev-maniac here! more valve less pushers

bravo Chris !!

 
 By: marcello pisani : July 1st, 2013-14:51
I obviously fully agree with you !! in Italy we have a sentence that sounds like : "who buys chronographs poisons you too : tell him to stop !!" LLOOLLLLLLL

the funny thing...

 
 By: gensiulia : July 1st, 2013-14:59
...is that I bought a Daytona 10 days ago. turncoat inside. (courtesy Vetroplastica) ...  

ok I forgive you as....

 
 By: marcello pisani : July 1st, 2013-15:07
it's not a manual winding chrono !!! as ......................... ( original sentence in Italian language ) ...  

ROFL! [nt]

 
 By: gensiulia : July 1st, 2013-15:19

OK here's for you....

 
 By: DrStrong : July 2nd, 2013-00:34
...  

What a slogan! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : July 1st, 2013-22:14

Hey Tony...

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 2nd, 2013-00:26
.....the thing is, I agree with completely. The 16660 patina is a killer, and at the end of the day, notwithstanding all the rarity and value arguments, if someone told me that I was to sell one of these 666s, it would be the Comex that went and the patin... 

Thank you for another great post, Joe!

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : July 2nd, 2013-02:13
I feel the edge is closing in on me.... ;) Best, my pushing friend Blomman

Great post, thanks

 
 By: tim_s : July 2nd, 2013-08:55
As a fellow matte dial 666 owner I can echo all your sentiments. The watch is as tough as old boots but still appears vintage, not an easy combination of features to come across in the watch world I dont think. I also took some time to get the right patin... 

i am by no means a photographer...

 
 By: tim_s : July 2nd, 2013-09:18
but hopefully you get the idea i dont have the photos on my work machine so posted the link enjoy, tim

Me neither...

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 2nd, 2013-09:20
...as a photographer, I was once told I could make Claudia Schiffer look ugly! Yes, i see what you mean on the patina.....they do have the ability to take on really lovely patina. My serial number is 8.0m....would be curious to know yours if/when you get ... 

mine is

 
 By: tim_s : July 2nd, 2013-09:38
an 8.2m so a late '83 i think i never knew about the MK1/2 dials on these matt 666's so i will be checking mine later on! some great info in this thread, thanks all.

I think yours is a Mk1

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 2nd, 2013-09:42
Marcello says that the cutoff point for Mk1 is 8.0m or so....but i have now seen two watches in a 8.2-8.3m range that carry the Mk1....pretty sure yours is a Mk1.

interesting

 
 By: tim_s : July 2nd, 2013-10:00
will try and remember to check later and let you know

my borderline at 8.0 ...

 
 By: marcello pisani : July 2nd, 2013-10:07
is not a " Chinese Wall " but simply a statement based on my experience .. so please keep it with a grain of salt !

and here is a message for Jeff ...

 
 By: marcello pisani : July 2nd, 2013-10:08
" oh baby I don't love you anymore " ... LLOOOLLL

uh oh....is this a bit like the message that ...

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 2nd, 2013-10:19
Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes?

no it's just a citation ..

 
 By: marcello pisani : July 2nd, 2013-10:24
from a Beatles' song ...

absolutely....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 2nd, 2013-10:11
......but also i am curious to see a few samples to see if that range can be modified.... My version is bang on 8.0m. I am curious to see if it extends to 8.3m.

Hello dear Joe! Bravo for a wonderful post on the triple 6!...

 
 By: Subexplorer : July 2nd, 2013-11:00
That SD of yours got a terrific patina indeed! Though I m not much a fan of the SD model myself, preferring the more light Sub for every day use ans sport diving, your post makes me look it with a different positive sight. Would be very happy if I can eve... 

A pleasure, always, Abel

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 3rd, 2013-00:24
The 16660 is one that I rarely tire of discussing!

Great Review Joe..

 
 By: i_am_Sam : July 5th, 2013-07:21
It's a really enjoyable and educative read The 16660 is definitely the best of both world And I think one of the best one for daily wear Regards, Sam

Cheers Sam

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : July 5th, 2013-07:23
And for your other comments too.....it is certainly one of the watches I enjoy wearing a great deal

More Rolex 16660 details inside.

 
 By: Bill : March 18th, 2014-13:40
A super read as always. Bill