Rolex Submariner 6200 - the review

Feb 08, 2014,01:38 AM
 

For many, the Submariner 6200 represents the essence of Rolex. I was lucky enough to buy one a few years ago and can say that it is a very special watch. To review such a watch, however, has not been easy. It is not as if Rolex have provided detailed history from which to draw. Further, even to this day, there remains dispute and controversy over which Rolex was the very first Submariner. 


This review will take a hands-on approach to the watch, looking at it as it is today as well as touching on the many issues which surround its place in Rolex history. It will also look at the dial variations (with many thanks to Marcello for his invaluable contributions).


Before the discussion starts, lets just take a brief look at what the 6200 is?





Is the 6200 the “first” Submariner?


Lets start off by stating that nobody knows the answer to this question for certain. There are many theories. Many different opinions. What does seem accepted fact is that three Submariner references were produced by Rolex at approximately the same time. These three were the 6200, 6204 and 6205. Over the course of time, experts have made various arguments for which came first. Accepted wisdom places the 6204 as the first Submariner. I disagree. First, however, lets look at the key arguments behind the 6204 “first Sub” perspective. 


The 6200 has the A296 movement whereas the 6204 and 6205 have the A260 movement. Marcello makes the point that the A260 is not an improved movement, but rather just one that is appropriate for the case size - the 6204 and 6205 having a much slimmer case. No real clues from the movement. One cannot say one movement was more or less advanced.


The small crown 6204 was issued within serial numbers 949000-989000, from 1953. The 6200 has case numbers around the range 32000, after the serial number rotation at the beginning of 1954, placing its production in 1954 and thus after the 6204. The Basel Fair of 1954 saw the 6204 released officially as the first Submariner. This would seem to be conclusive evidence, right? 


The 6200 also, unusually, carries the Explorer 3-6-9 dial. The Explorer was first introduced in 1954. If it dates from 1954, doesn't this, again, place the 6200 verifiably after the 6204?


I think the evidence is extremely strong supporting the idea that the 6204 was officially released as a Submariner before the 6200. The Basel Fair provides hard copy proof and the serial number chronology is also very hard to dispute. Likewise, the use of the 3-6-9 dial suggests 6200 as post-1953. All of these factors provide a convincing argument for the 6204 being the first Submariner issued to the general public.


So the 6204 is probably the first Submariner? Not for me. I think another line of thinking makes more sense. Firstly, watch development does not take place overnight. Indeed, when producing watches with new technical capacities, it can often take years of planning and development, testing and re-designing before a watch is ready for release. When did Rolex start working on the 6200? 1953? 1952? Maybe even before. It was certainly some time before official release! Indeed, given that the 6200 incorporated a new technological advance - a much deeper depth rating (c180m), it is plausible that the development for the 6200 took place well before the official release. So, are we to use the release date and serial number as the absolute arbiter or is it meaningful and reasonable to ask whether Rolex developed the 6200 first, but chose to release the 6204 before the 6200 because the 6204 was ready for release before? The reference chronology does support the 6200 as designed first. Why would Rolex manufacture a reference, 6204 or 6205, then manufacture another at a later date and call it the 6200? Pure logic would suggest that there is another explanation. It is hard to imagine that Rolex developed the 6204 before the 6200. 


The 6200 was the very first Submariner proofed to c180m. Maybe the 6200 was the prototype professional divers Submariner whilst the small crown 6204 was for the general public. This distinction is not one that is generally made, yet there are some decent arguments to be found. The 6200 was designed with a more professional user in mind. With an enhanced depth rating, it could be argued that perhaps Rolex received a “special request” order that required enhanced technical capacity.  It is also verifiable that a number of 6200s surfaced from original owners - military owners. Is it possible that Rolex received a special order for an enhanced diving watch, produced the 6200 prototype for that special order and then realised that its fatter case would not be popular with the general public so used the 6200 prototype to develop a subsequent reference (6204) that would be slimmer and more desirable by the general public?


Note, also, that Rolex chose to use a dial on the 6200 from a watch from a completely different reference. To my mind, this is not pure marketing. Legibility for a professional diver, perhaps? The Explorer 3-6-9 dial provides a clear and identifiable means of differentiating the 6200 from the general public version - the 6204. When one thinks of the way that Rolex developed the Sea-Dweller with its prototype Mk1 and Mk2 versions (produced in quantities of under 100 watches) to precede the general public offering event, the DRSD….It was the Rolex way to develop the professional version first and then adapt it to something that would have more mass-appeal. Very Rolex. 


To my mind, it makes more logical sense that Rolex started to design the 6200 first. With its new 180m depth capacity, I would argue that it was on the Rolex drawing board before the 6204. Once Rolex were happy with the prototyped 6200, they produced and refined the 6204 for official release for the general public but with a slimmer case and a more marketable watch for the non-professional. Following this official 6204 release, Rolex then cased and numbered the 6200 for release aimed mainly at the professional market. So, for me, the 6200 is the first Submariner as it was designed and prototyped as such. The 6204 was the first released Submariner. I know many will have a differing view on the chronology, but this is my theory that I believe holds a degree of logical consistency. As ever with Rolex, I am very flexible to change my mind should evidence emerge suggesting otherwise!!


What makes the 6200 special?


Some more history, however, is pertinent. What makes the 6200 special? Clearly, whether it was the first or second Submariner is only a marginal issue. Its place in Submariner history is clear. I think history is also an interesting arbiter. When Rolex collectors talk in awe about a particular watch, one rarely hears the 6204 outscore the 6200. Why is that? 


The thicker case that was needed for the greater depth rating of the 6200 may not have been especially popular with the general public back in the 1950s, it did however necessitate the first appearance of the 8mm Brevet crown. In Swiss French, Brevet means “patent”. With this Submariner was born the “Big Crown”. There is no question, the style and presence of the Big Crown has captured the hearts of Rolex collectors to an extent that is hard to explain. Yes, the crown differentiates the watch relative to the many Submariner references that followed. Only three references have carried the Brevet Big Crown - 6200, 6538 and 5510. All three are iconic watches. The presence of the Big Crown and the implied presence on the wrist of the thicker case in no way plays a small part in the process of elevating the 6200 to iconic status.





But the Big Crown may actually be more central to the story of the 6200 than has been thought. There are several things that differentiate the 6204 and 6200. The need for the Big Crown on the 6200 was due too the need to use the watch with thick gloves in heavy-duty situations. According to Marcello, the request came, principally from the UK military. The need for a bigger crown made it necessary to have a thicker case to place the crown. And so, seemingly, another explanation for why the 6200 and 6204 had different style cases is derived. 


What other features have elevated the 6200? When one looks at so many wonderful gilt 5512s and 5513s from the 1960s that feature today, one sees many almost-perfect and mirror-like gilt dials. The 6200 was also issued with a gilt dial, and despite being just 5-10 years older than these 5512s and 5513s, it is extremely unusual to find a 6200 with a perfect gilt lustre. Why such a difference in the dial sheen? One theory is that the existence of radium rather than tritium on the dial explains the lack of sheen. The dial on my 6200 can clearly still be discerned as gilt, but compare that with its subsequent Submariner offspring from the early 1960s….quite a difference! Marcello’s theory is that it is not an issue of radium-burn. Indeed, since many dials from the 1957-58 period have radium but also beautiful mirror-like dials, the rationale for the duller dial on the 6200 lies elsewhere. During this period, many Rolex dials were made by the Stern Company, and it is entirely plausible that there were problems galvanising the dials. As Marcello points out, many chrono dials from the 1940s developed a semi-lacquered effect too. Dials from the 1960s onwards had a much thicker coat of lacquered paint and it is likely to be this factor that differentiated the mirror-like dials from the earlier problem dials of the mid-1950s. A similar story holds true for many of the gilt dialled Explorer dials from the 1950s - made by Stern, but gilt has become very dull. This is just a theory! Marcello’s theory, and I like this one!


Notwithstanding the lack of mirror-like finish to the 6200 dial, what is one looking for from the dial?What one looks for on a gilt dial of this nature is an evenness of small pitting, and of course the puffball nature of the lume. Puffball sums it up quite well. For a watch that is 60 or so years old, it is inevitable that the dial will show some wear and tear. Indeed, if there were problems with the galvanising, then wear and tear is inevitable. Pitting is typically evident on 6200s. What i liked about the dial on mine was that the pitting was mild, but evenly spread without areas of intense concentration. Makes the dial far more pleasurable to view.


A further feature that makes the 6200 stick out is its bezel. Unlike the traditional Submariner bezel, the 6200 bezel has no gradation markings. It is these differences that make an original version special. 


And lets not forget the Mercedes hands. Although there is some dispute, it is argued that the 6200 was the first Submariner to adopt the now classic Mercedes hands. The hands, of course, also have a number of special features. The gilt colouring of the hands seems to offset the sandpaper-like nature of the lume. Against the backdrop of the deep black gilt dial, the hands seem to add warmth and no small amount of charm to the dial. Notice, also, that the hour hand is longer than is typically the case from later Submariners….and different too to the design of the 6204. It is a small point, but again one can see that these two watches did have very specific differences. Why the need for longer hour hands on the 6200?


Dial variations


There are, naturally, some variations in the style of dial on 6200 that one can expect to see. To examine the various nuances that come with the 6200 dial, I am indebted to Marcello for both his expertise, scans as well as commentary. Marcello....thank you. All the dial scans and commentary after the scans come courtesy of Marcello.


Version 1




6200 dial standard combo with minute ring but with word SUBMARINER: dial has standard printings at 12 ( word PERPETUAL with height growing from left to right ) ; about this dial :


1) the word SUBMARINER is printed in silver above the coat of transparent paint ;

2) case number is in the usual range ( 32XXX )

3) watch sold to UK in 1954.


Version 2









Another variant : a watch seen in a famous auction with completely different printings at 12;


1) Rolex crown and other printings at 12 seen also in a few old explorers ;

2) this dial has appeared either with the T ( added ? ) at 6 and without it. ;

3) most likely the present dial has relumed indexes and btw seems to  be a later replacement 


Version 3






Same dial seen in variant 2 ( explorer style crown and printings ) but with these differences:


1) dial is  signed only SWISS at 6 and doesn't seem to be a replacement ;

2) dial is also signed SUBMARINER ( in silver as in variant 1 ). In this watch insert is a later replacement ( long 5 ).


Version 4





At last here is the standard dial : 6200 standard combo and dial : pristine set of hands with "

swan-neck " hours hand and " lollipop " seconds hand ; dial has standard gilt printings with the so called   " twisted mouth " crown, minute ring and is signed " SWISS " only at 6.


The 6200 has many claims to fame. Some can be verified. Some are left to myth. What remains is a watch of stunning power, presence and personality. For many good reasons, it sits in Rolex history as one of the most covetable and instantly recognisable watches. 



The 6200 had a new technology. It was specially developed with a much greater depth rating. It beggars belief to think that the development time for this watch was not significant. Indeed, maybe it took so long to get the development and testing correct that the subsequent watches in the development line, the 6204 and 6205 (that did not have the thicker case and big crown) were ready for release before the 6200 was ready or were just seen as more marketable to the public. That seems to my mind to give the 6200 a legitimate claim to be recognised as the first Submariner designed by Rolex. 


First….or not….it is a king of Submariners to me.


To finish, a few more scans.









And to conclude....the mandatory wrist-shot





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Great and necessary review, Joe, about the 6200.

 
 By: amanico : February 8th, 2014-01:52
All is there, the dial variations, the movement, the case, the crown, the history. I learned a lot, thanks to you, through your article. The King of Submariners, for me too. Please, bring it with you, I still have to bring it to bed! :) Best, Nicolas

Well...you have taken it to bed once....already....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : February 8th, 2014-02:53
......and regrettably it sits in a bed far from me at the moment.... Nicolas, thanks for your comments....appreciated. This was a labour of love. So many different things to discuss on this watch for sure....

Honestly, when I compare the 6200 to all the other BCs...

 
 By: amanico : February 8th, 2014-03:02
There is no match... My favourite was the Tudor 7922 / 24. But it was before I met your 6200. Yes, I had to bring it to bed! Best, Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2014-02-08 03:02:32

Super review Joe!

 
 By: Epilogue : February 8th, 2014-02:09
It's wonderful to read about such special pieces. Thanks for sharing!

Miranda....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : February 8th, 2014-02:54
...you know Nicolas once posted this advert by a used Aston Martin dealer...i can't find it but I'd love him to post it again....... Nicolas???

great review

 
 By: Ryan5446 : February 8th, 2014-02:47
and the 6200 IS the one ! fantastic watch.

superb review!

 
 By: MattS : February 8th, 2014-03:00
thanks Baron! Big crowns are very special watches, one can only understand afetr having put one on the wrist! Matt

The Holy Grail of Submariner !

 
 By: DrStrong : February 8th, 2014-04:14
I envy you....thanks for sharing !

I was lucky....very lucky

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : February 8th, 2014-04:33

Some more scans....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : February 8th, 2014-05:24
...  

What a post dear Joe!! I will be enjoying its reading and ...

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 8th, 2014-07:18
... viewing all the great photography. This is an historical watch, with lots of interest to timepice aficionados, and specially for those who, like me, love the Submariner, its heritage and history. It is true that the history of Submariner is full of co... 

Abel...i know how much you love the Submariner...

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : February 8th, 2014-08:01
....i am so pleased that you enjoyed this post

The best Rolex 6200 report produced.

 
 By: Bill : February 8th, 2014-09:19
Great coverage the must have reference for every collector. I was curious about the depth rating 200 meters. They never inscribed that on the dial? It may be there but faint. Just curious. Great report Thanks Bill

My 6200 has the "standard" dial....on that, there is no trace of 200m

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : February 8th, 2014-09:43
I have always wondered whether it was called the 6200, because of the last three digits representing the 200m depth rating? Just a coincidence, maybe. Bill....thanks for those comments. Very appreciated.

No Rolex 6200 has the depth rating on the dial?

 
 By: Bill : February 8th, 2014-14:09
I guess this is the case for every Rolex 6200. Makes you wonder about the depth rating and why the did not advertise it on the dial. If they really wanted to feature this advantage over the typical 100 meter depth watches why not on the dial. Curious. Bil... 

Just a guess....but...

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : February 9th, 2014-00:48
.....if the 6200 was only manufactured in tiny numbers and aimed specifically the professional market, then maybe it just wasn't so important to mark the dial with 200m? It would be assumed that the professional buying the watch would have done a lot more... 

It just seem odd

 
 By: Bill : February 9th, 2014-09:11
A dive watch that does not advertise their depth. Just more things that make Rolex curious. Thanks Bill

But also true about the name....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : February 9th, 2014-11:18
....on some dials it states Submariner, whereas on others it is just blank. And yes, agree....such idiosyncrasy is what makes Rolex....Rolex

Thank you for a great article, Baron! :)

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : February 8th, 2014-10:03
I have no knowlage in this topic, but I find it very facinating! A topic I will have to learn more about... Best, my friend Blomman

you are allways welcome !

 
 By: marcello pisani : February 8th, 2014-10:19
and btw I'm glad that from time to time we even agree on something !! LLOOLLLLLLLLLLL

Marcello....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : February 9th, 2014-00:58
.....your help on the dials was invaluable....many thanks. Likewise, I do like your Stern-dial theory for the glossiness theme. Many thanks to you for your help.... .....OK.....and every now and then, it's OK to agree!

This was a very early morning read.. And I have to say..

 
 By: hs111 : February 9th, 2014-20:21
.. that it has it All, as mentioned by Nico, I just could not stop.. On a very humble personal note, I guess - it is a Must Read for every Rolex Vintage lover, newbie & expert alike; I am totally with Blomman, saying, I don't know enough or have experienc... 

some old rumours and ...

 
 By: marcello pisani : February 10th, 2014-00:35
infos about these oldest subbies : 1) max. depth granted for 6200-6204-6205 was just 180 mt. and not 200 ; this would also well explain why the waterproof capability was not mentioned on dials ; 2) the move from 6204 to 6200 ( from small to big crown ) wa... 

Question for you....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : February 10th, 2014-01:40
......why do you think Rolex developed a watch with a much bigger case? Do you think it could be because there was a need/demand for a watch that had a bigger crown (for use with gloves) and to accomodate the bigger crown, a bigger case was needed? What c... 

an interesting question ...

 
 By: marcello pisani : February 10th, 2014-02:31
usually I believe in the " egg first " theory : in this case a much bigger crown commands in my opinion a bigger case ; this means : --an higher handling capability within a tough use ( gloves , combat diving suit .. not very thin at that time too .... ) ... 

if you are correct,

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : February 10th, 2014-03:05
Then it supports the military order theory. Based on serial numbers, then, number issued would be very low.

most 6200 come from

 
 By: marcello pisani : February 10th, 2014-03:26
UK ( and USA ). the military " concept " ( origin ) in my opinion is enough proved. nevertheless I know for sure that some were sold also to Rolex AD or through national Rolex branches.

Very interesting rumours, indeed.

 
 By: amanico : February 10th, 2014-02:25
Here is, to complete the theme, an evaluation report from the US NAVY ( 1959 ) credit source: Billy Schorr ( MWR ) about the 6538: Best, Nicolas ...  

What came first, the crown or the case?

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : February 10th, 2014-10:15
I intend to update/amend and generally enhance the 6200 review as time passes and as more information is put together. Take, for example, this discussion about whether it was the military need for a bigger crown that drove the need for a thicker case on t... 

most likely ...

 
 By: marcello pisani : February 10th, 2014-11:07
they came together ( in Rolex watches ) .... but don't forget that almost at the same time the first model 6154 ( "new " generation of Panerai military watches ) with case numbers from 1953 certainly arrived with the same " big crown " you have in 6200 ..... 

further stuff ...

 
 By: marcello pisani : February 10th, 2014-11:18
about the " equivalence " ( = simmetry ) concept coming in the next days .. stay tuned !! LLOOLLL

Post to come to more than few times

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : February 10th, 2014-12:25
to re-read and learn and then read and learn some more Thank you Joe Best Damjan

A Wealth of Knowledge

 
 By: patrick_y : February 10th, 2014-23:15
Thanks for sharing all this valuable information about all the different versions. Truly an invaluable resource for the collector considering such a vintage piece.

they didn't do everything at random ...

 
 By: marcello pisani : February 11th, 2014-02:39
how often stated ( " with Rolex everything is possible " ) but on the contrary we can find a " schema " also in these early submariners : this is the " simmetry" concept I was meaning in a previous post .... in these tables from old R20 we can find some i...  

small footnote ....

 
 By: marcello pisani : February 11th, 2014-03:59
in 3646 I have stated the 7 mm. crown as the default ( as widely accepted ) : some watches have later replacement crowns ( such as the " super oyster " or even the 800 ) .

Nice post -on the 'king' of them all!

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : February 11th, 2014-13:27
Baron, I much appreciated the dial variations part of your post. Thank you. The many dials still confuse me to be honest. As to what Rolex sub came first, I personally believe it was the 6204. Most scholars and historians agree that this is the model. Lea... 

Hi Edmond

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : February 14th, 2014-14:16
Thanks for the comments. Glad you liked the post. I also think the 6204 was the first Submariner released by Rolex. I just don think it was the first Submariner designed by Rolex. Subtle difference, I know, but logical I think. The k Marcello for he dial ... 

Dial for the 6200

 
 By: Paul19 : January 15th, 2017-08:53
What dial can be used on a 6200? I have a 6200 with a bad refinished dial on it and it needs to be replaced. Or refinished again professionally I guess is another option. But I was thinking maybe I would grab a dial from another submariner that fit It. Wh... 

Hi Paul.....welcome to the forum. As a new member, can you tell us a little about yourself and your collecting?

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : January 15th, 2017-09:18
The 6200 is a 38mm case.....you should think carefully about what you put inside