Rolex Perception & Why Some PuristS Will Never Buy One

Feb 17, 2015,09:26 AM
 

Rolex Perception & Why Some PuristS Will Never Buy One


If you pull any person off the street or start up a conversation with the fellow passenger sitting next to you on the plane, and ask him what he thinks the best watch is, more than likely, the answer will be Rolex. On another note, if you ask instead, which watch he’d like to have, there’s a good chance that the answer would be, you guessed it, Rolex again.


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It’s not a coincidence that the majority of the public would choose the brand Rolex. When it comes to wristwatches there could be no other brand more emblematic of luxury, status and exclusivity - in the eyes of the masses. With such a strong prominent place and image forged into history as much as it is into the mass public sub-conscious, it remains a branded force to contend with and seems unlikely to be shaken from the spot on the pedestal anytime soon.


Rolex in the world of watches may be synonymous in many ways to Mercedes Benz in the automotive industry. These brands are often driven by a positive reputation, consumer trust in quality manufacturing and the permanent stronghold they have as symbols of luxury and status. No other watch brand can reflect success in the eyes of more people than Rolex.


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Often the impression partially gives a brand its status. Of course there are other factors, equally if not more important like history, quality of product, price point, marketing etc. However perception can be a powerful thing and can sometimes be perpetuated long after other factors in the equation begin to slip.


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One example that comes to mind is the case of Opus One wine. The name gained huge recognition during the early years with the release of some of their best vintages in the late 90s. In recent years it has declined in quality but later vintages still command upwards of two, three and four hundred dollars a bottle. Whether it’s the best wine you can get for $200 is questionable. Chances are if you look, you can find another Napa red wine that you’ll like much more with more character for half the price.


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Opus One is still an excellent wine but the name has elevated itself to a level where public perception and status make up for whatever may be lacking in product. All that a dining host, party-goer or gift-giver need do is pull out a bottle of Opus One wine and everyone’s eyes open wide with excitement before they’ve even taken a single sip of it. Of course the few in the crowd who will not be as impressed are the real wine connoisseurs who may be mildly pleased but would be much more excited to see a smaller production wine from a more obscure boutique winery producing incredible vintages that you don’t find on your store shelf or even in restaurants.


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It’s a comparable case with watches. Perception counts for a lot where the mass public is concerned and some of the best watches are the ones that not everyone knows about.


Rolex may not necessarily be “the best” when all points are considered but in some cases it doesn’t even matter because it is the best in the eyes and minds of “A LOT” of people and that’s a powerful asset for a brand to have. Because  If you are not buying a Rolex for reliability and quality or vintage appeal and collectability, then you are probably buying one for status. Its a self-elective means to an elite group and egocentric mentality that many are happy to buy into.


Photo: Amanico


So who are the ones who don’t follow the mass crowd of Rolex-followers? Just as there are better automobiles than Mercedes Benz and better wines than Opus One, certainly there are better watches than Rolex. Why do some collectors still desire a Daytona and others would never come close to spending the money for one?


We asked three veteran watch enthusiasts why they would never buy a Rolex. Here’s what they said.


When you hear the name "Rolex" mentioned what is the first word or words that come to your mind?


- Big black fortress near Geneva where no one ever gets in

- Golf. I guess the first Rolex ads I saw as a child had golfers as their brand ambassador.  I also think that golf and Rolex fit very well together.  I have had the chance to play golf a couple of times and can assure you that there is only one thing more boring than playing golf.  That is watching golf on TV. (The US pharma industry is missing out on a big chance to increase their sales, find a way to ban golf on TV.  The sales of medications to combat sleeping problems will increase dramatically.  Have you ever seen a TV showing golf where the person supposedly watching was not asleep?  I haven't.)

- Status symbol


Do you see a difference between vintage and modern Rolex? To you - what is the difference and which is better?


- I prefer vintage. I can't say it's better; I just like them.

- They all look the same.  For some the strong point of Rolex, for others their weak point.

- Vintage Rolexes were more "tool watch" than status symbol/luxury watches.  Modern rolexes are the converse. Of course with high prices and collectability values of vintage rolexes now, vintage Rolexes have also started having a "status symbol" image albeit among watch connoisseurs who know their stuff. Which is better?  I think vintage Rolexes are more charming and more true to the spirit of watchmaking (less commercial). Having said that, I am impressed by modern Rolexes in terms of innovation,  build quality and their highly automated and robust manufacturing, QC and servicing processes.


Would you ever buy a Rolex watch at market value? If yes, under what circumstances. If no, then why?


- I have done it. Market is not necessarily list price. I have never bought a Rolex from a Rolex dealer and probably never will. It's like buying a new car. I prefer (in most cases) not to deal with the sales process.

- Buy a Rolex? Unknown concept.

- Probably yes but haven't found one I like yet. I'm mainly looking at modern Rolexes and I like those with the ceramic bezel but I am not sure about the new maxi case which makes the case at the lugs area look "fat".


Fill in the blank, "Don't buy a Rolex. Buy _____ instead."


- Grand Seiko, of course

- The list is too long.

- A JLC


One thing I do like about Rolexes is _______.


- Quality of the movements.

- At BaselWorld trying to figure out what the people see in the Rolex stand windows that make them look so long and discuss so much.  I have no explanation for their behavior.  The watches look the same now for the last 60 or more years.  My best guess is that what they are really discussing is the relative merits of the hostesses that they see mirrored in the display windows.

- Constantly high build quality and robustness


Why do you think so many people like and buy Rolex?


- Rolexes are a safe buy, like purchasing a Lexus. But to me it's a hohum buy.

- Rolex is a wonder of successful marketing.  Their marketing has been constant and unchanging at least since the 1960s.  They are extremely well known worldwide and their watches are completely generic. They have nothing that makes them stand out.  If you close your eyes and say "watch", what you see in your mind looks more or less like a Rolex.  If you are looking to buy a "watch" and want the one with the best known name and have no other demands on the piece, you buy a Rolex.  The Rolex after-sales support also has a good reputation.

- To be honest, a majority of people in my region buy a Rolex as a status symbol.


What do you like about Rolex watches if you are a fan? If you aren’t a fan and would never buy one then why not?


Thank you to members of the community who shared their answers for this article and for the photo usage. Cover photo credit: Jocke







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Great article with fabulous title :)

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : February 17th, 2015-10:03
Thank you for another marvelous coverage from amazing series what we can call PPro Proudly Presents - Tonight Show with Ping ;) Sincerely Damjan

Aww...thank you Damjan

 
 By: pingtsai : February 17th, 2015-22:27
Do you own a Rolex?

No :) [nt]

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : February 18th, 2015-00:06

Little bit of a pity !.. Despite all, that was said : there are rarely things with a...

 
 By: hs111 : February 19th, 2015-01:59
" A better Bang for the Buck " !! And believe me, usually there is always one for everybody ! Vintage vs modern - that is another Q ! Best, my friend ! hs

Agree completely

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : February 19th, 2015-02:02
I already know mine ;) Yours D

Mass produce...

 
 By: iceheller 1945 ✌️ : March 19th, 2015-15:27
Looking at the figure release by COSC a few years back before they stopped releasing the actual figure now, why pay so much for something that everyone is wearing, from rich kids to senior. Can there be much human touch if its produced like near to a mill... 

Great read and interesting point, Ping! :)

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : February 17th, 2015-14:20
I know where I started.... That is not where I am now! ;) Best Blomman

Very good point!

 
 By: pingtsai : February 17th, 2015-22:41
...many many people got into watches by way of Rolex.

What an ode to Rolex Watches!

 
 By: amanico : February 17th, 2015-14:20
There is a paradox with Rolex watches, which may explain that you can Wonder IF Purists will buy a Rolex. The paradox lies in the fact that: - You can't sum horology to Rolex. Those who do that don't know anything about watches, to say it are sometimes i... 

Good one

 
 By: tom2517 : February 17th, 2015-19:52
I totally agree, and you know, some are saying about modern Patek now too, that they aren't really the best watches, just have the perception of being the best watches. In parts of Asia, buying GF (starting around 300k) is now the ticket to "elite" club, ... 

Very interesting

 
 By: pingtsai : February 17th, 2015-22:47
...I think it will always be a part of it when luxury products, history and marketing are factors. I'm just amazed by Patek's "You don't own a Patek, you just hold on to it for the next generation." or something like that. Really? After spending all that ... 

Great post &

 
 By: Mally : February 17th, 2015-20:45
a perspective shared by many; albeit, rightly or wrongly, is debateable.... In my case, more so when I travel, I leave my PP/AP behind & wear my Rolex, trusting it's reliability & knowing it will withstand the knocks of travel. It always has. Best... 

Thank you Mally

 
 By: pingtsai : February 17th, 2015-22:48
debatable is just fine. :) They make good every day watches.

Great article but...

 
 By: matthewking : February 17th, 2015-22:00
..it appears at least one of the interviewees simply does not know very much about Rolex (this is obvious from his answers) and harbors a rather strong prejudice against them (which detracts greatly from any broader meaning of what he says). "They all loo... 

Good point. Well said [nt]

 
 By: Feage : February 17th, 2015-22:04

Thanks for the suggestion...

 
 By: pingtsai : February 17th, 2015-22:15
...I will definitely keep that in mind for the next article. :) There were absolutely no negative intentions toward Rolex fans...maybe some good back and forth conversation but no trolling for sure. Thank you for reading and for your comments.

**Note from the author...

 
 By: pingtsai : February 17th, 2015-22:30
I'd like to add that this article was not written with any negative intentions toward Rolex fans whatsoever. It was simply to provide one perspective and create some good conversation among the community. My father had a Rolex, after working and still wor... 

Nice post....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : February 18th, 2015-03:29
....as ever, I would guess the world of Rolex buyers is stratified into a large number of "types". You clearly identify some of those types in the article. I meet plenty of people who like watches but wouldn't have a clue about the vintage Rolex on my wri... 

Hey Ping, This Is A Great Topic And ...

 
 By: elliot55 : February 18th, 2015-08:06
.... quite thought provoking. I believe those who poo-poo this venerable brand are hiding their Rolex love in the closet. My first real watch was a Submariner I bought for myself when I was 22 with money won at the craps table. Through the years I have al... 

I never thought I'd buy one myself for the usual reasons stated in your post...

 
 By: Echi : February 18th, 2015-20:40
but after having succumbed to its iconic albeit "common" charm, i realized that it has become a personal benchmark for value in however which way a watch enthusiast would want to define it. the mere fact that it's arguably the most hated watch brand speak... 

Superb answer, Echi. +1!

 
 By: amanico : February 18th, 2015-22:49

Nice article, Ping ! . Sometimes human behaviour is a multi-facetted result..And often..

 
 By: hs111 : February 19th, 2015-01:05
.. depending a bit on how narrow/ wide you want to define the term "Purist".. Again, not my primary brand , as a Purist also, but I like Rolex ( Vintage a bit more) & I buy them. Plus I do like them .. A lot !! - This since 1977, when a simple Rolex Date,... 

What would it be if you loved Rolex! :)))

 
 By: amanico : February 19th, 2015-01:09
When I see your ever growing collection of Rolexes, I start to Wonder what it would be if you loved Rolex! :) :) :) All the best, my dear friend. Nicolas

Well, luckily I have a Master to follow in Dr Mamadu.. And I learn also by good friends !

 
 By: hs111 : February 19th, 2015-01:27
.. And having said so, I have to confess.. It's a lot of fun, sometimes a bit expensive, but still very good fun !.. Only damned thing this year will be, to postpone the Duomètre Project, so I'm hoping for other " little" joys.. Best, my friend, hs ;) ;) ... 

Well, I'm silently working on 1- 2 things.. But still needs luck and wise decisions! ;))

 
 By: hs111 : February 19th, 2015-01:44
.. Thx for the kind encouragement, my good friend ! So many options, including some traps, but I try to do my homework better over time ! Interesting indeed, at times !... ;)) So, young Padawan is always grateful for Jedi's advice and Dr Mamadu's judgemen... 

reliable, but not interesting?

 
 By: cuibono : February 19th, 2015-16:15
i don't own a rolex, but there are some that i like very much. the cellini prince never seems to get its due, but it is beautiful to my eye. my thing with watches is getting something that is a little less obvious. so often, people seem to buy rolex to an... 

Well known for public , but..

 
 By: shadowprince2000 : March 2nd, 2015-23:16
Have to agree it`s common and well known brand for the public and good resale value and easy available service. But , it`s like mercedes compared to Rolls Royce when you compare it to Vacheron Constantain or Patek Philippe and Audemars Piguet.

i never really cared for Rolex.

 
 By: masterspiece : March 3rd, 2015-11:52
It is as you've said that many people think/perceive (and believe) that Rolex is the epitome of watches. They represent a type of "status" therefore they are very common on many wrists of all walks of life. It's not a bad thing by any means, especially fo... 

Great response and position which i share with you.

 
 By: Bill : March 3rd, 2015-13:36
Buy what you love. If it happens to be a Rolex it is what is. At the same time i also feel that aspiring to be a Rolex owner is great too. The quality stands on its own two feet. At the end of the day there will always be Rolex haters for whatever reasons... 

Agreed! :-)

 
 By: masterspiece : March 3rd, 2015-19:49
There will always be haters. I wasn't so much of a hater of the brand itself. I just didn't want to wear what everyone else was wearing ~ until I found a model I liked and tried it! And I think that is the key. Let it touch your skin, rest on your wrist. ... 

Blogs responds

 
 By: matthewking : March 16th, 2015-23:09
I made a new post for this, but thought I would tag on this thread as well. An interesting, inside-look at Rolex by Ben Clymer: Cheers, Matt

Very interesting...

 
 By: pingtsai : March 16th, 2015-23:16
Thank you for sharing this. It's funny, because I know, we all know that many people LOVE Rolex and there is nothing wrong with that. There's little not to love. I just wanted to hear from the few people who didn't share the same love and find out why. Th... 

I missed this post initially, but I will add my 0.02cents!

 
 By: ik2000 : March 17th, 2015-02:54
Rolex is a strange creature. When I first started off in horology, it was ABR (anything but Rolex!!!), as I felt that it was the easy choice, and tbh, it felt like it was the choice of the non WIS... Poeple bought rolexes to 'tick the box', not because of... 

And a wristshot!!!

 
 By: ik2000 : March 17th, 2015-02:56
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Very nice! A classic [nt]

 
 By: pingtsai : March 21st, 2015-07:44

My 2 cents

 
 By: ciaca : March 19th, 2015-14:40
When you hear the name "Rolex" mentioned what is the first word or words that come to your mind? Wristwatch Do you see a difference between vintage and modern Rolex? To you - what is the difference and which is better? Huge difference. The vintage Rolex a... 

Thank you ciaca for your 2 cents! It's always appreciated and welcomed. :)

 
 By: pingtsai : March 19th, 2015-18:36
I like the simplicity and directness of your answers. That's what it should always be about and be like, just what you like. Thanks again.

Great article, enjoyed but...

 
 By: CGJ0 : March 21st, 2015-03:49
I would have liked it to carry on more and hear even more viewpoints and discussion!

I liked your post a lot, and Purists' answers even more :)

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 21st, 2015-06:12
Another very well written post Ping, i'm glad it came out again. As I said in my title, I liked your post but I took great pleasure and interest in reading the answers bringing knowledge to myself as I'm not a Rolex connoisseur really. In fact, before I g... 

I felt the same way...

 
 By: pingtsai : March 21st, 2015-07:49
PPro and the members here have definitely raised my level of appreciation for Rolex watches. I totally get the vintage appeal. It's interesting that our perception can sometimes be so influenced by what we are exposed to. But it is nice that it is not sta...