Can of worms?

Aug 31, 2010,11:35 AM
 

I do NOT want to start a battle about prevcentive maintenance. I will say that an authorized Rolex, Blancpain, etc dealer who sponsors here told me that routine maintenance on most mechanical watches is a waste of time and certainly money, unless the watch is misbehaving, or was not made properly or suffered some mishap during the road to the end user. This was based on his experience, and the counsel of his watchkeeper, a Euro-trained getleman with a training and applied skills resume as long as your arm, who maintained that servicing a quality watch every 3-5 years is simply a way to generate aftersale revenue. OK, flame on, but I did not want to satart a war, simply make a point.

As a mechanical engineer and physicist, I can also say that modern lubricants reduce wear dramatically, should not normally "dry up" in the internal environment of a timepiece, and have a service life extending almost indefiinitely. Some of you with BMW's may be reminded that certain drivetrain parts come "sealed for life". And I note with a raised eyebrow that when I had a Bimmer and hjad to pay for service, oil changes had to be done every 3-4k miles; but as soon as BMW started to foot the bill with "free" scheduled maintenance, oil change intervals were anywhere 10k - 15k miles and up! What had changed, other than using synoils (just as our watches use)? The record known to me was a C-series Mercedes  that was at 22,342 miles when the "service" light came on? Hmmmmm. I smell a rat.

Also, unless the parts being used are extremely soft, metal that has sheared from sliding surfaces generally does not pose a threat to itself or the general movement population. I could rattle on about wear analysis in metals, but the simple mind experiment is that the tolerances (distanmces netween 2 or more adjacent sliding surfaces) is almost always larger than the wear partcile itself. Unless the particles work together to line up just next to each other, they will just harmlessly slide through the spaces between sliding surfaces. Perhaps a clean, lube, assembly at 5 years might be reasonable just to ensure that any foreign materials are removed before they can wreak their horribe vengeance (that is, substances that somehow entered the timepiece before it was sealed and were never intended to be there ion the first place) . And on that pont, I am very iffy.

MY Blancpain dealer said I should have it serviced when it stops keeping time well. My Omega (with co-ax) says 10 years, and it is rumored they  (Omega) are hardly using any oil at all. My ATMOS clock has been patiently doing its job rather well for nearly 20 years now, and boy is it unsealed, and part of that time was spent in NYC in a 4th floor walk-up with no AC and plenty of 1970 vintage NYC "air" streaming onto its little mantle dwelling when I was a starving grad student (B4 you cry foul, the ATMOS was a graduation gift that my Dad, may he rest in peace, never understood me wanting although he had 20 of his 93 years to ruminate over it).

 I hope I have I haven't rambled too much, but when I get a head full of ideas, they have to come out, or it is time to reach for the Brainamucil.

 Cheers, RR. aka Glenn

This message has been edited by RoadRage on 2010-08-31 11:40:14


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 By: SJX : April 3rd, 2010-21:02
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 By: Ogygia : April 4th, 2010-09:43
No warranty from Rolex.... Even now, the rolex restrict the parts supply to official dealer for repairing in HK. In past, dealer used an old part to exchange a new part with cost. But rolex was starting to centralize the repair service, and no parts suppl... 

The warranty is from Bamford & Sons.

 
 By: SJX : April 4th, 2010-09:46
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besides, Rolex is rebust!

 
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Can of worms?

 
 By: RoadRage : August 31st, 2010-11:35
I do NOT want to start a battle about prevcentive maintenance. I will say that an authorized Rolex, Blancpain, etc dealer who sponsors here told me that routine maintenance on most mechanical watches is a waste of time and certainly money, unless the watc... 

Happy to dialogue

 
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to this kind of things, until I put a first generation Pro Hunter on the wrist...and it is really a killer ! But of course, it seems very "understated" compared to the latest stuff that was realized: only case PVD coating and a Nato strap. Cheers Jeff

I agree

 
 By: SJX : April 4th, 2010-09:47
the "understated" look, as you put it, is very appealing and especially fitting for the type of watch Rolex is. - SJX

Thanks for sharing...

 
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while the cost is prohibitive, I have a feeling that this will garner more than just curious onlookers when they arrive. Thanks again for the news JX.

Thankyou for the presentation SJ

 
 By: hans_jorgen_1968 : April 4th, 2010-02:59
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Interesting....

 
 By: MiniCooper : April 4th, 2010-11:12
However I am skeptical regarding non-factory modifications.... But, now I am curious to see them in metal.... Black watches are very trendy today... I wonder how they are going to be regarded in 5-10 years? thanks for posting.... cheers

One not to forget

 
 By: DrStrong : April 4th, 2010-13:22
the Jacques Piccard Deep Sea, a limited edition of 86 pieces: a spectacular watch that I was very happy to discover last year This message has been edited by DrStrong on 2010-04-04 22:58:33...  

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 By: MiniCooper : April 5th, 2010-00:08
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To me, PVD...

 
 By: DrStrong : April 5th, 2010-01:06
- or I should say CVD - suits perfectly to these kind of toolwatches. I don't have a wristshot, but I have tried on the combo with the Nato strap, which is the best to me. I really like the historical context of this watch: the fact that it was issued in ...  

I fully agree....

 
 By: MiniCooper : April 5th, 2010-01:32
regarding the nato strap... the bracelet is a bit too much in my opinion.... but cvd scratches and it is expensive to repair, right? cheers ps great photo

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just like modding one's car

 
 By: Hororgasm : April 4th, 2010-13:57
just like modding one's car. why not?? moreover, its all comestic. AMG kit on a regular E class? Brabus bodykit on a S class? do they only sell brand new PVDed watches? or would they accept a commission on exisitng piece?

Only brand new watches. (nt)

 
 By: SJX : April 4th, 2010-19:38
Nt:::0:a5a587574078bc597d4f78f0acf0462a:7d0::::

Thanks a lot. I saw them this saturday in Paris.

 
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Do you....

 
 By: MiniCooper : April 5th, 2010-00:05
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Thank you.....::))

 
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