Only Tudor Toronto knows….

Feb 11, 2014,08:46 AM
 

This is pure  speculation on my part  about the nail marks… 

But  Tudor Submariners were expensive sport watches  (not to mention Rolex…) compared to most brands at that time and I guess  that a civilian would not use an expensive sport watch  as a hammer. Sounds illogical to me. 
A soldier who has to cope with  an unexpected emergency would   more likely do so with its issued "tool-watch"  in my mind. But once again, just a guess. 

The guy who told about the Tudor that was found in the canadian military base asked who it belonged to and he was answered that the watch was still the property of the Canadian Navy, so I guess it was an issued watch, a lot  of  Canadian Navy issued watches being not engraved on their case back. 
Only Tudor Toronto Service center knows the answer, as they still retain the Canadian Navy issued watches ' serial numbers in their records.
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 By: vulcain : February 11th, 2014-08:46
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