Ashes of Time

Feb 25, 2009,05:39 AM
 

Why are some of us strangely attracted to vintage watches and especially vintage Rolex ? Maybe because we know that in the early days, these toolwatches were only worn by professionals in the kind of extreme situations that these watches were designed for ?

 

We imagine that our watch has an extraordinary history that makes it unique and its specific patina is the sign of its individuality.

 

The Submariner

 

Being often used on boats, beaches, in tropical countries, etc….diver’s watches were often more subject than others to moisture and heavy sun exposure. This has lead to some spectacular patinas on vintage Submariners !

 

Here’s a 1950’s James Bond ref. 5508 with a great tropical dial; the bezel has also faded to light grey… (Photo P. Stahl):

 

 

The same kind of color – but with a more even discoloration – is observed on this Big Crown ref. 6200: see how the radium of the hands is “burned”:

 

 

On this Red Submariner ref. 1680, the dial has turned to a brown color, with an amazing even tone.  The combo with the Nato strap is spectacular ! (Photo P. Stahl):

 

 

Another red 1680 with a darker dial color (Photo Ryan):

 

 

And a double red Sea Dweller ref. 1665 from the same owner, with a nice faded bezel inlay:

 

 

This Submariner ref. 5513 has little spots all over the dial… Is this a Stardust dial ? A Cosmos dial ? Any other fancy name for it ? (Photo Wilton)

 

 

And what about the brown color of the tritium on this 168000 ? Simply beautiful ! (Photo Wilton)

 

 

The GMT-Master

 

Some 1950’s and 1960’s GMT-Masters have probably been worn by pilots around the world in exotic countries and the scars from their adventurous lifes can be seen on their dials…..like on this ref. 6542 (Photo P. Stahl):

 

 

Here’s another example, with a lighter and more even dial patina (photo BJSOnline)

 

 

and an early 1960’s ref. 1675 with a tropical dial and a completely faded bezel:

 

 

See how the makings have turned to orange on this one (Photo nbtimes):

 

 

And finally the most spectacular…..what happened to the surface of this dial ?? Sun, moisture, oxidation ? (Photo A. Shear)

 

 

The Explorer

 

Explorers with a heavy patina are quire rare birds, as they were probably less exposed to water damage. Here a few scarce examples…

 

This ref.1016 with an underline has an amazing light brown dial (Photo Addict):

 

 

On this Freccione ref. 1655, the tritium of the indexes and hands has turned to a very unique yellow tone (Photo Premium Watch):

 

 

and on this one, the originally bright orange hand has completely faded to white (Photo A. Shear):

 

 

On this one also (Photo Wilton):

 

 

The Cosmograph

 

The Cosmographs are also subject to the dial color change phenomenon: here’s a pump pushers ref. 6239 where the black subdials have faded to light brown (Photo P. Stahl):

 

 

Here’s a ref. 6240 with prototype screw down pushers and a dial showing the same kind of patina:

 

 

Another one where the whole black dial itself has turned to brown (Photo O&M):

 

 

Here’s a ref. 6265 Fuerza Aerea del Peru with a beautiful dark brown color for the subdials (Photo bullibeer):

 

 

A little patina comparison between two tropical Cosmographs (Photo P. Stahl):

 

 

And another stunning duo:

 

 

And finally a firework of all the tropical Rolex sports models by P. Stahl:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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And Finally, I'm dead...Of pleasure, Jeff

 
 By: amanico : February 25th, 2009-07:38
You killed me, my friend. It is funny, as regularly, I try to forget the Vintage rolex Chimere, and that, each time something, ..or someone is here to remind mle their existence... God, all is here, the most beautiful and maginificient watches Rolex ever ... 

Great post ...

 
 By: bimbeano : February 25th, 2009-09:20
... thx Jeff for this splendid review , this makes a man longing for such a vintage ... Filim

Thanks ! [nt]

 
 By: DrStrong : February 26th, 2009-07:23

Great post!

 
 By: DRMW : February 25th, 2009-10:06

There is one problem with all those watches......

 
 By: Jocke - Bad Santa : February 25th, 2009-10:41
If I get them my "redialer" will cost me a fortune. Great post Jeff. Jocke

OMG !

 
 By: DrStrong : February 26th, 2009-07:24

fantastic post

 
 By: Ryan5446 : February 25th, 2009-11:03
The collection op Phillipp is just amazing...

Great post and pics!

 
 By: CaliforniaJed : February 25th, 2009-13:13
I've managed to resist the urge to "go vintage" but you make it very tempting... Best, Jed

Thanks Jed

 
 By: DrStrong : February 26th, 2009-07:26

Nice pictures............................................................;- )

 
 By: Philipps : February 25th, 2009-13:20
and GREAT post, thanks Jeff for all the effort you do to show us your passion here !!! Best to you! Rgrds.Philipp

Well, I have to thank YOU...

 
 By: DrStrong : February 26th, 2009-07:27
for sharing those beauties with us day afyer day ! Cheers Jeff

i hope many more will come...

 
 By: Philipps : February 26th, 2009-08:32

Amazing...Great Post...

 
 By: kbc.2222 : February 25th, 2009-15:34
Like to see all of them...tkanks... Best Chung

My pleasure Chung ! [nt]

 
 By: DrStrong : February 26th, 2009-07:28

This fascination with patina is slightly mysterious, gentlemen . . .

 
 By: Dr No : February 25th, 2009-21:53
. . . but I think I get it ;-) . . . cordially, Art...  

Mmh...

 
 By: DrStrong : February 26th, 2009-07:30

That is one fantastic post

 
 By: tahoeblue : February 25th, 2009-23:03
Some of the vintage pieces are so beautiful because they don't show their age and look almost look new. Then there are these watches with "tropical" dials and patina that are wonderful for the opposite reason---they show their age and take on a whole new ... 

Superb, post!

 
 By: AlexSunrise : February 26th, 2009-09:14
Thank you, Jeff! This is one more example that life is not only more enjoyable seaside, but also you age more gracefully! Kudos, Alex

Nicely put Axel ! [nt]

 
 By: DrStrong : February 26th, 2009-09:21

Great post!

 
 By: Davo : February 27th, 2009-03:00
They sure don't make them like they used to. I much prefer the vintage Rolexes to the modern ones. True beauties with so much character and charm. Thanks for sharing. Well done!

Thanks Dave ! [nt]

 
 By: DrStrong : February 27th, 2009-09:58

Yes, and that is why we love vintage Rolexen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 By: bas.nl : February 27th, 2009-11:59
Great post Jeff. Cheers, Bas.nl

Right on spot Bas !

 
 By: DrStrong : February 27th, 2009-23:13

Another great post on Rolex Tropical dials.

 
 By: Bill : April 12th, 2014-12:08
We need to add all these examples to the tropical thread. Great stuff Jeff. Bill

+1 on all counts. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : April 14th, 2014-22:40

Observation

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : April 13th, 2014-10:27
Jeff- thank you for posting all differently kind of aged watches. I think I have come to a conclusion: I might only slightly prefer when a watch has aged not that evenly but perhaps like the GMT master with the cracked dial and the GMT with the orange wri... 

I also like "freak tropicals" sometimes...

 
 By: DrStrong : April 14th, 2014-12:28
...I have a couple of watches with "damaged" dials and I love them...

Wonderful post Jeff

 
 By: johnnya : April 15th, 2014-03:34
Thanks for making such an interesting Post Regards John

On my what a fantastic post. Love it very much. Thanks.

 
 By: WatchCrazy : January 1st, 2016-07:20
Woul be nice just be able see at least one of them watches in real life. These watches must have had been seeing sunlight almost everyday. The UV rays can do a lot of damages on certain colors paint. It is amazing to see. Great post. Totally enjoyed it.

Love "Ashes of Time" thanks. [nt]

 
 By: pastaboy1939 : January 1st, 2016-07:25

I did not change too much still love the tropical range.

 
 By: Bill : January 1st, 2016-11:26
Still have a stronger weekness for pure color change dials in particular. But love them all. Bill

More than the watch itself...

 
 By: JToddH : January 21st, 2016-05:09
It's your passion for this watch that makes me smile. I think your post demonstrates the feeling that we all look for in acquiring each piece. I'm happy for you, brother!

What a pictorial, Jeff !.. Marvels all & so much with varying degrees of patination, coloration, fading etc.. ;))

 
 By: hs111 : January 22nd, 2016-01:33
.. somewhat a bit unpredictable, but the more appealing & fascinating ! Thx for such a nice post, beauties in their respective realm; and some are simply to die for.. Cheers & Best, hs