[Baselworld 2017] A few pictures and my feedback from the press presentation in Paris

Sep 08, 2017,13:42 PM
 

Hi everyone,

Finally, I could handle most of the novelties that were presented during Baselworld 2017 and make a first feedback to start with. It was already ready but with work and holidays I waited until now to post it.

As far as I’m concerned, I must say that it confirmed the positive opinion I had from some first pictures but also was very interested in some pieces I didn't expect to like: overall, it is a very good year and I really invite you to have a look at them if you can.

Here are just a few pictures to share with some of my first thoughts as I'll try to emphasize what is not that obvious on pictures.

 

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Well, I’ll start with a big surprise for me as I’m not really an Aquanaut guy. However, I was very surprised to see that the 5650G Advanced Research is maybe my favorite from the new collection. As simple as that.

I knew the colors would work very well (like they do on the 5168G) but the size, contrasts, overall design and even the open dial (that I didn’t really appreciate from the first pictures we could see) make the watch very attractive. I still remember when I approached the table reserved to the 5650's presentation: the nearer I walked toward the watch, the more I realized how nice it looked. The overall blue strap and darker dial together with the white gold color (very different from a greyer steel case) was fantastic, it remains discreet but no fade colors.

Furthermore, I had a detailed presentation from M. Philip Barat, head of the Patek Philippe Development department, about the new Spiromax spiral and the new pushers’ activation feature: they represent as very interesting, clever and significant evolution, much more than we would think, and they will have a significant influence in terms of innovation for the future. It is tradition and timekeeping in a smart and simple way that I’m sure will show a lead. Smart, simple and efficient as Patek did already in the design of the 29-535 caliber. I’ll develop that subject later.

To those who didn’t find it to their taste but who might have a chance to get one, I would just suggest to at least have a look at it.


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Next to the Aquanaut, I’ll add the gorgeous 5170P Chronograph. Everything is as discussed here: fantastic blue dial and combination with the printings and overall decoration. It is made with a lot of taste… especially with these markers. Indeed, they are very discreet (you can wear it outside easily, this was something I wanted to check) and they bring this touch of uniqueness and “fun” that makes it more interesting than “without” and that only you will know about. Not “I can do with them” but “it looks better with them”. I love it and it will bring a significant change in our taste in the next few years I’m sure.

What is positive with such a classical and traditional case is that you can bring a touch of audacity that can combine very nicely. A very clever and daring move from Patek that I think we'll fully recognize in the future.


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Another one I liked really much is the 5960G Chronograph and Annual Calendar. You know that I love the 5960P models but that they are a little too heavy considering what I like experiencing as an everyday wearer and thus I would have liked to have a gold version instead. In this context, I wanted to give the new G version a chance, even if the sportier dial layout (hands and typo especially) were very different from the very refined and elegant Platinum and rose gold versions that attracted me at first. I wasn’t very sure I would like it from the pictures as not enough “luxurious” (not for the “bling” side but more the kind of higher finished work style, the kind of light reflection that doesn't work the same on a gold watch and a sportier steel one) and too “normal” sporty maybe.

However, in the metal the watch is very nicely balanced and perfectly designed: my opinion is that it is the perfect casual elegant Patek, in a different direction from the Nautilus design that usually plays that role. It will be very successful imho, just like the 5168G. It is the watch that will push people who currently think that classical watches are too traditional (read “old school”, not young enough) and would not think about visiting Patek Philippe boutiques to consider very seriously exploring the collections, either with a casual wear or a business suit.

I must say I love it too.


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The 5960A black dial is nice too as the dial is a little matte and works perfectly with the bracelet if you like it. It is a good addition to the white dial version (for Nicolas, less depth indeed, even if the red hands bring a kind of “volume”, less racing-like as well). The white dial version is much more "expressive" and sportier while the black dial model is still a sporty watch but a little more on the "classic" side. I assume this is mainly due to the black color.


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Then, I could try the new 5320G Perpetual Calendar that opens a new family of PCs in the collection, next to the more traditional 5327, with a different PC module (seen in the 5270).

It is not really a vintage-like watch but rather a modern watch which is inspired by Patek’s history. That's why it doesn't feel as if Patek wanted to make a vintage watch that looked made today, hence leaving an artifical, less natural impression. It is more a very distinct PC interpretation that an owner of a previous PC reference will add or that a younger client will enjoy more. It is something really cool, classical but that is not too traditional. It is the Patek spirit in the finishing and style but in a modern outfit. Thus, a modern piece that brings a contemporary intepretation of vintage ingredients.

The dial is “creamy” (not a yellow creamy that would make it look like vintage) but it has a lighter color. It is not the kind of balance that we find with traditional gold cases. The way the numerals are crafted (and especially the thin blackened glossy sides) make it very interesting and up-to-date regarding the dial construction. The glass is also something that brings a lot to its unique look compared to the flatter ones.

However, it will not be picked by everybody here on the forum, mainly because used to more traditional models. Nevertheless, the younger half of Patek’s clients as well as newer generations, or clients who don’t have a Patek yet, may find it very appealing and modern. On the short term, it will work or it will not. No real middle position. I think that on a longer run, people who won’t like it may also change their mind in the future. This is not the easy one at the beginning but might show all its potential when we evolve. A question of generation but also the need to give it some time to accept for many older fans, used to more traditional designs. We’ll see.

I tried to show how it could look on the wrist, from a longer distance, in a further overall picture (I would change the strap personally but with black it would look really cool for my taste):

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The 5131P World Time with enamel dial is just unique. I would like to especially emphasize the work of coloring and how detailed it is compared to the method used. The colder colors compared to previous versions match perfectly the Pt whiter tone and the location that is represented on the dial. Truly, it is absolutely superb.

The watch is heavy (like the 5711P) but very comfortable as it sits very well on the wrist as the caseback and bracelet are smoothly designed. As usual, comfort is something I appreciate a lot about Patek and is something that should always be a concern for a brand.



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The 5168G Aquanaut is another very appealing novelty. I thought the color combination (strap and dial blue tone and white gold) would look great and this was totally confirmed in the metal. From my point of view, I feel that white gold works better with the blue dial than a steel material would have and, as I said in the 5164R review, the material matches very well the way a lot of clients use these “sporty” models today. The heft and the hue of white gold are other pleasures people have wearing a gold case.

The 42mm case, aside from being the right offer for bigger wrists and areas where the standards are different, looks smaller than a classical rounder reference. Frankly, I didn't feel it was 42mm.

This one will have a lot of success imho.


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The 6006G is a very nice modern version of the Calatrava and a discreet evolution from the 6000 previous generation I reviewed in the past (blue dial). The hands are finally the detail that makes it the most different and bring a very nice touch to the watch. Indeed the older baton hands weren't "opened" and these new ones maybe make the time easier to read. This is the main visible difference and the new 39mm (compared to 37mm before) is certainly a very good size for today, especially with a black dial that makes a watch usually look smaller.

It is very different and more modern than a usual Calatrava model. I imagine this is the kind of Patek that one can very well wear for work and would fit a wide array of attire.


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Finally, I enjoyed very much the original layout and spirit of the rose gold and blue dial 5396R versions (with or without baguette markers). It has this “fun” touch and color combination that makes them very appealing and original in the metal. A nice watch to handle and consider in an existing collection.


 

 

I could again experience the diversity of case shapes, decoration, hands style, craftsmanship and design research from the brand. That was a great experience and I would really suggest you have a look at them, even the ones you may not have liked from the first pictures. You may be happily surprised.

More infos about them on the official website: http://www.patek.com/en/collection/new-models-2017

I hope you enjoyed this first little feedback and I’ll come back to them later.

Please share your thoughts if you wish smile

Best, Mark


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Thanks for this review, Mark. You certainly made the day of many people here.

 
 By: amanico : September 8th, 2017-15:18
Many were waiting for the 5131P and some real pictures. On leather strap I would have been very sad to not be able to get one... Now my targets are more the 5960s... The WG Blue dial is cool, the steel black too. Have to see these two in the real. Still, ... 

Thanks Nicolas, I wish it can indeed give a second view on them after the pre-summer impressions :)

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 9th, 2017-00:33
I think I feel the same as you do about the 5131P, it helps not being disappointed about not being awarded one :p Btw, I think that any of the 5131 is nice. The Pt of course has something that many will like better but considering the enamel work, they ar... 

Great review mark thanks

 
 By: watch-guy.com : September 8th, 2017-15:27
Do you think the 5131 would be better without the integrated bracelet? Julian

My pleasure!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 9th, 2017-00:50
Well, this is a tough question Julian as I still have the 5960/1A white dial pictures I made when I tried it one or two years ago (here below). I'm still not a fan of the bracelet style and design but I found that, with the right attire, it can look nice ...  

Hi Mark, thanks for the review ! Your report gave helpful insights to the new pieces!

 
 By: GLau : September 8th, 2017-17:46
Out of all the ones you tried, which was your favorite one ? Cheers, Gordon

Glad you enjoyed it!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 9th, 2017-03:08
Well Gordon, as always, the presentation of new models, versions etc... is always bringing a change. Sometimes we like the watches right away and sometimes it requires a little more time. And it is not because it takes more time that it means it is not th... 

It is a pleasure to discuss about them with you all

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 9th, 2017-07:37
and I also appreciate when someone shares his experience about a watch I couldn't try myself in order to help me make my opinion. I'm glad you enjoyed it and found some useful elements about these novelties. Thanks a lot for your very nice words and have ... 

Thanks for this wonderful report and photos, Mark

 
 By: crown comfort : September 8th, 2017-23:42
stuff to make us drool.

Yes, it was very nice to be able to try those watches :)

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 9th, 2017-07:38
I'm glad you enjoyed it, thanks for your nice comment! Best, Mark

Thanks Mark for the Photos and report!

 
 By: Time to watch : September 9th, 2017-00:00
Always insightful and a pleasure to read. All the best H.

It seems that the lighting wasn't ideal but at least we can talk about them :)

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 9th, 2017-13:13
Thanks a lot for your nice comments H, I'm glad you enjoyed it! Best, Mark

Thanks Mark....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : September 9th, 2017-00:53
I will concur with you in that once you actually see specific references, a totally different feeling emerges. I have seen the 5131P on image quite a few times, but nothing prepares for seeing it in the flesh. It has a vibrancy and appeal which is extraor... 

I agree

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 9th, 2017-15:02
We have the same approach there and at least seeing many of these watches in the metal brings something more than what the official pictures might communicate. You're having a few to enjoy on your side and this is great. Thanks a lot for your feedback Joe... 

Lovely summary and very interesting to read your thoughts on these releases

 
 By: keks : September 9th, 2017-00:59
2017 was a great year for new releases for PP I have to admit. If I had to pinpoint to one thing I wish they had done differently it is perhaps a little less blue. I realize blue is the fashion of the moment, I do realize it is an easy color to absorb for... 

Interesting reading

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 10th, 2017-01:44
After a few months, it is interesting to come back to your thoughts and I think I'm very close to your position. Except for the blue :p In fact, I see what you mean and as this is a color that is coming back since recently (there was the 5070P but it was ... 

Thanks for the report Mark. I particularly love the 5131p and 5170p.

 
 By: RussW : September 9th, 2017-01:24
But also the other watches are very nice. Seeing all the new watches together again makes me realise this was a very good Basel for Patek. Much better than I had initially thought.

Indeed, there are a few that might be nice to wear :)

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 10th, 2017-07:42
After a few months, it is nice to see people's feeling about the novelties and it is quite interesting too in order to see if Patek makes good choices, at least for us here :p The 5131P and 5170P are definitely bringing something very nice in the brand's ... 

Thanks for a good report

 
 By: FRAM : September 9th, 2017-04:06
My favorites are the 5131P (of course) and the 5320G

I'm glad you liked it :)

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 10th, 2017-14:17
Yes, those two have a lot of success indeed. Now it is time to have a try as soon as they are available at ADs. I'll go back at the Salon to see them too when I can. Thanks Fram! Best, Mark

Very informative

 
 By: mj23 : September 9th, 2017-09:02
Thanks for sharing.

My pleasure Mj! [nt]

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 11th, 2017-07:35

Thanks Mark for the review.

 
 By: beejo : September 9th, 2017-10:21
Great as always,I think the 5650G is the best from last Basel as I was late to the party,What I heard was that the allocations were all time I have to be faster. Best, Ahmed

I think that many members who expressed their opinion here about Basel agree on some successful references

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 11th, 2017-07:40
The 5650G is one of them for sure and is something I would have loved to get as well, as an everyday wearer. The difficulty to get one from an AD (thus normal price, I don't talk about the grey market due to flippers) shows that this limited edition is re... 

Not being to get one.

 
 By: beejo : September 15th, 2017-18:10
Doesn't make it bad That what some people should stop doing Best, Ahmed

Yes indeed :) [nt]

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 16th, 2017-14:48

Patek

 
 By: uaewatchguy : September 10th, 2017-02:06
Thanks for the insightful write up Mark. Love the 5650g but hitting brick walls where ever I try to get one . Iqbal

Yes, this is another tough one to get

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 11th, 2017-15:49
I tried also but at least seeing it here on the forum from time to time is nice too. Year after year, we find watches that we really would like to have, thus I know that there will certainly be more to come in the future Thanks for you kind comments! Best... 

Very thorough, Mark.

 
 By: TheMadDruid : September 10th, 2017-14:37
Good job. Let me add that this old man has grown to love the 5320. My first impression was of an over-complicated, over-priced Pilot Watch. But having seen many, many pictures, and then seeing it live in NYC I find it to be a very, very attractive Perpetu... 

The 5320 is quite an interesting piece in the sense that it is bringing a totally new design

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 12th, 2017-15:21
if considering colors, style and case design. Hence, it fills a gap for many while being too new for others, thus needing a period of adaptation. That's intereting to have your feedback after a few months and especially since you saw it in the metal. The ... 

Thanks for your report, Mark.

 
 By: Pretty Boy : September 10th, 2017-15:11
5131P really gives me sleepless nights. It's absolutely breathtaking. I used to dislike this bracelet but on 5131P it really looks awesome. Without the bracelet, the watch would loose a lot of its special appearance and presence. Best, Volker

This 5131P piece seems to appeal very much to many

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2017-15:27
and the bracelet brings the model in a new era where its coherence is something very special in the 5131 line. We see those watches quite often here but they are very unique and a rare kind of craftmanship in traditional watchmaking. Thanks Volker Best, M... 

very nice, but!?

 
 By: thomaspp : September 13th, 2017-09:44
Thank you Mark! Great! But why are you wearing gloves in every picture?!

It was the Patek presentation in Paris!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 20th, 2017-10:05
Last year they provided white gloves while this year they were brown (they help not putting finger prints everywhere and cleaning quickly the watches that were touched by other people attending). I must say that the brown ones change the size and the look... 

Thank You Mark, I have

 
 By: Mr OP : September 21st, 2017-07:40
tried the 5960 since I want to add a chrono to my humble sporty Patek collection ( 5712 /5167) I prefer the Cream over the black dial because the black is More classic and the red hand a bit too glossy But not found of the bracelet So I tried the G versio... 

We feel the same about this 5960G

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 23rd, 2017-12:06
and I think that many here who could see them feel also quite attracted by this novelty. The dial looks indeed identical to the 5524's and this is something I appreciate as I liked the grainy texture and blue tone. It has all the shine of a nice watch, wi...